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My first question is: VitaminShoppe's Complete Body Cleansing and Lean Shake, any good?.

My next question is: Hi, I'm 22 - 13 stone 10 pounds, had good gains off my first cycle. Diet and exercise routine are all spot on. Only problem I did have was I developed a mild case of gyno, but that has mostly cleared up with my previous PCT..

First cycle was:.

Wk 1 - 8: Sustanon 500mg ew,.

Wk 1 - 8: Deca 200mg ew (could have been upped in hindsight),.

Wk 1 - 4: 30mg dbol ed.

Wk 10 - 12: 100mg clomid ed,.

100mg clomid ed,.

50mg clomid ed..

As I said gyno was the only problem I encountered but that has cleared up and is only very, very slightly visible from above or side on. But it is a big concern!.

My second cycle I'm thinking:.

Wk 1 - 10: Test e. 1000mg ew,.

Wk 1 - 10: Proviron 50mg ed,.

Wk 1 - 4: Dbol 30mg ed,.

Wk 12 - 15: Nolvadex 30mg ed,.

Nolvadex 30mg ed,.

Nolvadex 20mg ed..

How does this look? Will I be ok running the proviron alone or is it worth bringing in something like Primobolan aswell to combat the gyno?.

Any thoughts appreciated thanks...

Comments (14)

Your question was: VitaminShoppe's Complete Body Cleansing and Lean Shake, any good?.

If your that worried about gyno I wouldn't use dbol...

Comment #1

I ran it at 500mg, 250mg on a Tuesday and 250mg on a Thursday and for D-bol 40mg, Morning, Afternoon,Evening and just before bed, and the usual PCT and had novla on standby.. I have lost alot of it now cause I have done a few endurance competions so the weight soon droped of but while I was doing the course my strength did get pretty impressive, I did a mixture of lifting heavy weights and body weightstuff. As I said I cant give you any advice cause I have only done two cycles so I'm no no position, but I hope this helps...

Comment #2

Why not keep it similar to your first one?.

Maybe extend it a bit though..

Weeks 1-4 dbol.

Weeks 1-12 500mg test.

Weeks 1-10 or 11 (depending on what ester you use) 400mg deca..

Comment #3

Ditch the clomid, it's cheap shite. Better sticking with tamoxifen, when you run the next cycle make sure you have enough for PCT plus extra, if you start to see signs of gyno during the cycle then start on the tamoxifen straight away, once it starts to subside ditch the tamoxifen. You might wanna think about HCG in your PCT aswell...

Comment #4

Your worried about gyno but you want to run 1000mg of test a week and it's your 2nd cycle. - BAD IDEA BRO..

Why not stick to 500mg a week if you had decent gains off the 1st cycle. if youv got gyno then it will def flair up again on your next cycle. Be very careful. if I was you id run arimadex or letro throught he cycle at a low dose to keep estrogen down.

You could add equipoise or deca into the cycle too...

Comment #5

Wont that inhibit gains unnecessarily seeing as the increased levels of estrogen are required to convert to the increased levels of testosterone? would'nt it be better to down the dosage of test like you said, and use an anti-estrogen as and when required..

These are silly dosages for a second cycle realy, taking more isnt gonna get you any bigger any faster, start out on the same dosages as your 1st cycle, if you dont see gains within a few weeks then up the dosage, theres no point going crazy, all your doing is wasting hard earned cash buddy...

Comment #6

Cheers for the replies. Based on that i've decided to drop the test e to 500mg a week guess it's a very big jump for only 2nd cycle!.

What about Proviron? Is it worth running 50mg every day for the 10 week course. I've heard people say very good things about it reducing estrogenic side effects and others say it's a waste of time.

Just wanted to know what you lot think! Cheers lads!..

Comment #7

Not at all, prov and nolvadex work great hand in hand, but like I say, personally I would'nt run anti-estrogens unless necessary, or in PCT, but thats your choice...

Comment #8

I wouldnt bother with the proviron and just keep nolva on hand incase you need it ...

Comment #9

You have already fouind out that you are gyno prone, therefore you need to take precautions because it WILL flare up again in future cycles. def use a low dose AI or nolva.; prevention is better than cure. I'm currently trying to shift some gyno with letro. not nice. it totally ****s your sex drive and gains have now stopped due to the 1mg of letro per day. the letro is slowly making the lump smaller but I wish id of used nolva throughout the cycle from the start to stop the gyno forming in the 1st place. Some ppl are lucky and dont get gyno, but others are more prone and therefore need to take the relevent precautions...

Comment #10

Cheers for the advice will bear all this in mind!.

Just curious, I can't afford to run deca at 400mg a week for 10 weeks unfortunately. Would it be best to run at 200mg a week or possibly front or back stack it against the test. can't get equipoise at the moment through my source - what else would be good to stack with the test? Maybe winny (though looking for a proper bulking cycle seems like i'd be heading in two directions with this?).

Any suggestions. Sorry for all the questions. Done my research just good to get opinions!..

Comment #11

"My second cycle I'm thinking:.

Wk 1 - 10: Test e. 1000mg ew,.

Wk 1 - 10: Proviron 50mg ed,.

Wk 1 - 4: Dbol 30mg ed,.

Wk 12 - 15: Nolvadex 30mg ed,.

Nolvadex 30mg ed,.

Nolvadex 20mg ed.".

Looks ****ing awfull mate..

I know MANY huge guys who haven't ventured over 1g in over 10 cycles, but still gain well, and got huge..

Second cycle, should be the same as your first (as long as it was well planned) but the calories increased (because you should now be somewhat heavier)..

Iranian Enanthate 2ml weekly. 12 weeks. Nolva and comid PCT starting 14 days after last jab. Clean diet, calories about 500 above maintenance level (dependant on metabolism), good training and rest..

If you don't grow well with this then.......... well, you will...

Comment #12

"Cheers for the replies. Based on that i've decided to drop the test e to 500mg a week guess it's a very big jump for only 2nd cycle!.

What about Proviron? Is it worth running 50mg every day for the 10 week course. I've heard people say very good things about it reducing estrogenic side effects and others say it's a waste of time.

Just wanted to know what you lot think! Cheers lads!".

Ah just seen this, good lad!!.

RE Proviron, I love it mate. Don't do a cycle without it..

Helps with bloat, sex drive and SHBG levels...

Comment #13

Hi mate I did danabol to begin with then testoviron on the middle off the cycle I developt e little bit of gyno in my niples so I took tamoxifen for 2 weeks I did not have much gain then I did testoviron 8 weeks then second cycle sustanon for 10 weeks I'm goin to run some tamox cos I'm getin bit eachin on my body.the 3 cycle I want to run sus with deca and tamox at the end...

Comment #14


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