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My 1st cycles going well, due my 9th injection soon. As I'm nearing the end of my cycle, I was just wondering about adding tribulus and zma to the pct..

I already have everything e.g. nolva, clomid, zma, trib, liv52..

Im starting my pct 2 weeks after my last test enanthate injection, but was wondering if I should start trib and zma earlier, ive seen a few posts saying that trib takes longer to take effect? any1 got any opinions on this?..

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I personnally haven't used Hcg in my PCT for years ( and I mean YEARS!!) and to say "no hcg post cycle = small balls and problems with erection " is a failure to understand truth of the HTP axis. Sure HCG works, but it is not by far the best or even the only useful tool for PCT in fact it is not 'essential' for PCT by any means. I have used S.A.N Endotest for my last 3 or 4 PCTs and by testes have gone back to normal in just a couple of weeks. Prior to Endotest, I used 'Tribolan' by Interactive Nutrition which has several herbal ingredients that give a full recovery of HTP, without the estrogen increases that accompany Hcg..

InterACTIVE Nutrition International Inc. - TRIBOLAN..

Comment #1

Neil, are you saying that you ONLY use S.A.N Endotest for your PCT or as part of it e.g. Nolva and S.A.N Endotest?.

At what stage in your cycle did you start to use S.A.N Endotest and for how long?..

Comment #2

I've done both. Last cycle had Endotest on it's own. One before that was endotest & IGF-1..

I started the first day after the cycle had ended and ran for 3 weeks @ 3 tabs twice a day. (am & pm); With Endotest on it's own I stayed the same bodyweight after 3 weeks & with the IGF-1 I gained about 3 lbs after 3 weeks..

I've also run Endotest as the sole 'androgen' in a cycle (see 'Gearless stack' elsewhere in this forum) and gained 10lbs after 3 weeks..

If you want to run Nolva with it for an extra anti-estrogenic effect thats fine, and you'd only need 20mg a day as the Endotest has antiestrogens in it already, albeit a milder herbal one..

Hcg is a useful substance, all I'm saying is it ain't the be-all-and-end-all of PCT...

Comment #3


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