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My first question is: If I work out regularly will a product like Mass xxx from VitaminShoppe cause me to get fat of gain ?

My next question is: Ok well I did 3 jabs total, 1 a week at 250mg of sust and 200mg of deca. After my 2nd jab I started having problems such as bad chest pain, high blood pressure, and dizzyness. This only happened one time so I went ahead with my 3rd jab. Bad idea for the next 3 days I had the bad chest pain, high blood pressure and dizzyness. Also had gyno symptoms. Because of these problems I decided that it was best for my health to quit that cycle so on to PCT.

So I am on to researching for maybe another cycle of different compound/s. I would just like some opinions on what I should do or not do. I would prefer something that has no estrogenic side effects. How about Mastabol, Trenbolone, or Boldenone? Ne advise is appreciated!..

Comments (20)

Your question was: If I work out regularly will a product like Mass xxx from VitaminShoppe cause me to get fat of gain ?

I would reccomend consulting a doctor but would not reccomend mentioning your cycle.. most doctors simply have the view that it is wrong and in all truth dont know very much about the subject... if you mention your symptoms and then mention your course chances are you will be told it's all down to steroids, never to use them again... whereas to be honest id guess that there may be underlying problems that the course has highlighted as a reaction like you have described should not occur so soon or on those doseages!.

If you are very estrogen sensitive I would suggest using arimidex with any test you may use rather than nolva!.

Hcg during a cycle is simply to stop your own natural production of testosterone shutting down more than needed... so not essential especially if yo are keeping doseages low!..

Comment #1

Lee is right...don't mention anything about your course..

In my experience local GP's don't have much knowledge of pharmacology, and your Dr WILL just dismiss everything, and say your reaction was purely down to the meds you took and wouldn't bother to investigate further...

Comment #2

Ok, thanks fellas. I kind of figured that the dr might sign everything off as a problem due to the gear. So a couple weeks after PCT I will go see the dr and get a check up. Thanks for your help and support fellas!!..

Comment #3

If everything checks out fine at the dr, I will try test prop and winstrol. I have seen numerous different dosing suggestions with these and was wondering about the thoughts on dosing by everyone on here.

50mg eod testprop.

50mg ed winstrol.

This is the cycle that I have found that was suggested mostly. Ne thoughts?..

Comment #4

I would double the prop dosage the winnie is fine..

Comment #5

Just my 2 cents worth but too much gear in my opinion for a first timer, orals would have been a better option as atleast you have the reasurance that they are out of the system within 24-48hrs if your unwell or react bad..

The chest pains etc etc look very similar to symptoms to having done a shot & hitting a vein but usually that shows itself straight away..

I would defo see your doctor but I would be more inclined to be 100% honest with him/her regarding your usage as it just maybe your one of the unlucky or lucky few (depending on how you see it) that can`t use steroids for whatever reason(s)...

Comment #6

That is strange..

Not ever heard of your symptoms after such a short duration..

What brand test/deca are you using?.

As someone said, it does sound like you hit a vein and a little got straight into your blood, but you would know this straight away and these symptoms would subside pretty quick..

Have you tried letro as an anti-e..

Im pretty gyno sensative, and letro had been the only thing I have used during a cycle and not seen any gyno related sides...

Comment #7

The brand was organon. I know I didnt hit a vein because I aspirated everytime and the symptoms occured about 36 hours after shot and about 12 hours after the next shot. It also happened two times throughout the week a couple days after a shot. I actually still have those problems some nights and it has been a week and a half since my last shot. It only happens towards the end of the day/night. Now I dont think it was cycle related, but something has been agrivated by them.

He has been my doctor forever so I think that it would be best for him to know everything...

Comment #8

Oh and I have never tried letro. My source doesnt supply it, but they have proviron, nolva, and clomid. If everything checks out with the dr, I will sort out another cycle for december/january involving proviron and nolva. Have you ever used those in combination throughout? If so what doses?..

Comment #9

Mate i`d go with just one compound and see how it goes next time...

Comment #10

Thats what I was wanting to do, but test prop was suggested and I heard the shots can be painful so I was thinking something with it might help that. Everything right now is just in the researching stage so your input is very appreciated. Thanks for the suggestion cal...

Comment #11

Well went to the dr today to get checked up about these problems Ive been having. The dr was very informative about the cycle and other gear. He said that when he was my age he had done a couple of succesful cycles. Wow! I thought he would of judged me and blamed all my probs on the gear. No, he said at the doses I was using it would be very rare for any of my problems to be directly related to my cycle. He checked all my vitals took some blood and did a diabetes check.

He said that it was most likely anxiety problems. The fact that there was an uncontrolable factor in me(gear), my body felt outta control and increased anxiety which in turn heightened my blood pressure. He gave me a prescription of zanex to control the anxiety problems and said to come in if there are anymore problems. He also wants me to come in before my next cycle for another check up. I feel alot better about this now, I am real glad I was able to be honest with him...

Comment #12

When you go in next time.. ask him whether any of that stuff is recorded on your file... obviously it may be possible that future employers or life insurance companies have access to your medical records for some reason..

Good to hear you have a good doc!..

Comment #13

Glad to hear things went well with the doctor fella I am suprised I must say, all the best with the blood results and future cycle..

Comment #14

I will ask him when I call about the blood work results. And Im sorry LeeB for not taking your advise about not mentioning the cycle, but I am a very honest person and felt that it was in my healths best interest to let him know about all the factors involved. Yes I am very lucky to have a great dr!.

What do you think about the dosing? test prop, winstrol, proviron, and nolva...

Comment #15

No need whatsoever to apologise mate. just cos I have an opinion dont mean I am right..

First off.... id say wait for your bloods before making any decisions...

Second, due to your reaction and thinking that it may have been anxiety id say keep the dosages low and the course short and see how you respond..

The test prop and winstrol cycle yuo suggest I think would be ok - but they will both be painful shots so to be honest I would not reccomend it unless your taking things very serious..

If you want to stick with the prop you could try:.

50mg prop eod.

100mg masteron eod.

These two can be mixed together (as long as both oil based not water based) in one barrell and the masteron should take some of the sting from the prop. it would give you an average weekly mg amount of about 500mg/week - and to teek it short id run it for 4-6 weeks max then run pct..

Comment #16

Sounds like you've got a really good doctor there...who's had first hand experience himself! Bonus!..

Comment #17

The physiological side effects of taking gear is not something that is not talked about that much on most of the boards, yet if you start talking to most users they do get them, especially with the faster acting stuff. As we're talking artificial hormones they are bound to have an impact if not as extreme as the public image of roid rage.

Id ask your doctor what he thinks would have the least negative sides Id imagine in general long acting esters would be better but he seems cool to give you advise so Id use his knowledge,,,..

Comment #18

Well thank you all for your comments. When I call about the blood work I will set up another appointment with him so I can see what he thinks is best for a cycle for me. Of course I will have to wait a couple weeks after this pct is done to start anything...

Comment #19

My docs pretty cool too , he sends me for bloods , does blood pressure readings regular on me even commented and said for my age of 43, my last cycle, which lasted 16weeks, simple deca 2oomg ,sus500mg and prop250mg a week, my blood pressure was 140 0ver 90 , he said that was ok , borderline normal high, said it would go down in a few weeks, some guy s readings are through the roof on the same amount of gear. I think it's best to be honest ,its just my opinion,...

Comment #20


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