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My first question is: I am always tired I need physical and mental energy, I am a woman. what can I buy from the VitaminSh?.

My next question is: Hello.

Im looking into doing a couse of clenbuterol, just a little worried with the long term sides..

If have read numerous articles on research done on rats and horses but the ridiculous amount they were give was never going to give a clear indication of how humans would be affected..

The short term sides appear to be manageable but irreversible damage to the heart is a concern. Enlargement of the heart, stiffening of the heart walls. Are these problems likely or do the usually happen to ill informed people who take too much for too long?.

I am not looking to clen as a quick fix. I have been training for 4 years and have lost over six stone. For the past year I have completly plateaued. I have only loose stubborn fat that will not budge. I intend to use clen to shift the remaining fat and then manintain with an already good diet and lots of training..

I am aware of horror stories but are these exagerated by the media to scare people away. I ask the question is clen that dangerous if it is prescribed as a bronchodilator by doctors??!!.

Any advice would be really appreciated as this forum seems to have lots of knowledgeable people..

Thanks for your time.

Al...

Comments (6)

Your question was: I am always tired I need physical and mental energy, I am a woman. what can I buy from the VitaminSh?.

Your question was: Clenbuterol concern.

HELLO M8.

If you read the side effects of most perscription meds you would be scared of taking them, clen is fine just be sensble,.

Have you tried natural fat burners ?

Comment #1

Hi.

I have tried a few natural fat burners..

Hydroxycut hardcore.

ECA stack. (gave me lots of stamina but not much weight loss).

CLA.

Oo long green tea.

Animal Stack fat stripper.

Im sure theres a few more but I tried a few..

How you used clen yourself? Would you reccomend it?.

Thanks for your time...

Comment #2

Long time since I posted here....

As far as I remember, there were some significant studies that came out not so long ago, which proved that 100mcgs/day and above dosages (i.e. the full dose that a bodybuilder uses to cut) causes irrepairable heart cell damage. The extent to which, would obviously depend on the other compounds used, the dose, the length, the person's propensity to have this side-effect, and sensitivity to the compound.

Personally, I wouldn't take it, yet took a lot of ephedrine back in my time, which is probably just as bad..

From what I remember, most people 'in the know' switch to albuterol, a slightly safer alternative...

Comment #3

Ah the good old days. Apparently clen is being offered as a wonder celeb dieting drug now.

I've used it - it won't give you the results you want. Essentially if you have tried this many fat burners (I'm guessing over a relatively short period of time) you are probably mentally relying on them too much. Best honest advice I can give you is 3 strong coffee's a day and massively increased cardio. I don't think anymore is necessary at amatuer level but ECA wouldn't hurt...

Comment #4

Hello boys theres two names I recognise.

I take it I like it it's not for everybody though ..

I agree that without proper nutrition and cardio it wont work it's just another tool in the box..

Comment #5

Is this the study you are referring to nick?.

Its has been argued that this is not accurate, as the rats were given 1mcg per 100grams of bodyweight. Not 1mcg per 1kg(as would be roughly what a man would take).

If you know otherwise please let me know..

J Appl Physiol. 2004 Dec 10; [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links.

{beta}2-Adrenergic receptor stimulation in vivo induces apoptosis in the rat heart and soleus muscle..

Burniston JG, Tan LB, Goldspink DF..

Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool, United Kingdom..

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist, clenbuterol, can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known if this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections using a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed using annexin V, single-strand DNA labelling and TUNEL). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h, and peaked 4 h after clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg kg(-1), with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.005 %; P<0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg kg(-1)In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2 %; P<0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg kg(-1).

However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way from the apex towards the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol or ICI 118,551) or reserpine was used to show that clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively...

Comment #6


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